Hi all, long time lurker and occasional poster here.
Just wondered if anyone else find the 'cleaning up' after a session (solo or with wife) a problem? I enjoy the mess, but I don't find the cleaning up much fun. I'm not talking "needing to repaint the room" kind of mess but even just showering off afterwards feels like a chore and sometimes negates the pleasure received from the recent mess? Again, we're talking things like chocolate syrup rather than glue, butter or something 'difficult' but sometimes it almost gets to the point where it puts me off starting because I know the hassle that's coming after we both have.
I know, make the clean-up part of the fun showering together and all that, but we only have a small shower and getting more than one in there at a time isn't terribly easy, especially as neither of us are very small ourselves.
I guess I should at least count myself lucky that my wife, although not really a huge fan, is happy to indulge my fetish from time to time, but still I can't help but wonder if I'm a bit odd - but then again, aren't we all?
Yes, it can be a big downer on any play. Using things that dissolve or dilute with warm water helps, but it tends to be a case of play, get roughly clean, clean the area, shower again. Not sure there's any wonder tricks, getting to stuff quickly helps.
bogjumper said: Hi all, long time lurker and occasional poster here.
Just wondered if anyone else find the 'cleaning up' after a session (solo or with wife) a problem? I enjoy the mess, but I don't find the cleaning up much fun. I'm not talking "needing to repaint the room" kind of mess but even just showering off afterwards feels like a chore and sometimes negates the pleasure received from the recent mess? Again, we're talking things like chocolate syrup rather than glue, butter or something 'difficult' but sometimes it almost gets to the point where it puts me off starting because I know the hassle that's coming after we both have.
I know, make the clean-up part of the fun showering together and all that, but we only have a small shower and getting more than one in there at a time isn't terribly easy, especially as neither of us are very small ourselves.
I guess I should at least count myself lucky that my wife, although not really a huge fan, is happy to indulge my fetish from time to time, but still I can't help but wonder if I'm a bit odd - but then again, aren't we all?
For me I tend to attempt to know how to clean up whatever I'm working with. If you can get your wife involved before you start you can add another dimension of wonderment to both of you together
For example on cleaning Slime I can clean in less than 10 mins if I contain it Fluff 7-9 depending on where I am Paint 30mins Soil is what I'm currently looking into which can be cleaned with water outdoors
For us, cleanup planning takes just as much preparation as the scene itself. I had a chat with another UMD member a couple of months ago and I had this strange idea - I'll bet a lot of us who enjoy this messy fetish are actually quite the opposite in real life; we are borderline OCD or at least we like things to be neat and in in their place and we don't have messy homes. (Blue pill or red pill moment here). Do we actually enjoy getting messy because deep down in our conscience we have to clean it up? We may not feel it at the time doing the cleanup but I wonder if that is something that some of us may strike a chord with deep down inside our twisted heads.
But yes. We take cleanup very seriously and safety planning is a big part of ours as well. But don't let that discourage you. Just come up with more efficient and faster ways to do those tasks. Then WAM on!
WildThang said: I'll bet a lot of us who enjoy this messy fetish are actually quite the opposite in real life; we are borderline OCD or at least we like things to be neat and in in their place and we don't have messy homes.
WildThang said: For us, cleanup planning takes just as much preparation as the scene itself. I had a chat with another UMD member a couple of months ago and I had this strange idea - I'll bet a lot of us who enjoy this messy fetish are actually quite the opposite in real life; we are borderline OCD or at least we like things to be neat and in in their place and we don't have messy homes. (Blue pill or red pill moment here). Do we actually enjoy getting messy because deep down in our conscience we have to clean it up? We may not feel it at the time doing the cleanup but I wonder if that is something that some of us may strike a chord with deep down inside our twisted heads.
But yes. We take cleanup very seriously and safety planning is a big part of ours as well. But don't let that discourage you. Just come up with more efficient and faster ways to do those tasks. Then WAM on!
Interesting take but what does blue and red pill have to do with clean up?
WildThang said: For us, cleanup planning takes just as much preparation as the scene itself. I had a chat with another UMD member a couple of months ago and I had this strange idea - I'll bet a lot of us who enjoy this messy fetish are actually quite the opposite in real life; we are borderline OCD or at least we like things to be neat and in in their place and we don't have messy homes. (Blue pill or red pill moment here). Do we actually enjoy getting messy because deep down in our conscience we have to clean it up? We may not feel it at the time doing the cleanup but I wonder if that is something that some of us may strike a chord with deep down inside our twisted heads.
But yes. We take cleanup very seriously and safety planning is a big part of ours as well. But don't let that discourage you. Just come up with more efficient and faster ways to do those tasks. Then WAM on!
Interesting take but what does blue and red pill have to do with clean up?
In reference to The Matrix and how your mind is blown with the deep thinking of our real inner selves and our true environment. Hehe
For our scenes we usually place a big plastic sheet(costs about 1 euro) on the floor. After that the messing start. When cleaning up, we let it lay there while we clean attributes(chairs, benches etc.). Every disposable cleaning product(wipes etc.) Also gets thrown on the sheet. After that it's packing the sheet up, throwing it in the trashbag and you're done. Usually takes about 15-20 minutes to have the set prepared for another scene.
The downside is that it isn't environmental friendly due to the amount of plastic involved, but for us it's the only way.
Clothing can just go into the washing machine after a short shower.
About being a neat freak: no, not at all unfortunately.
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WildThang said: I'll bet a lot of us who enjoy this messy fetish are actually quite the opposite in real life; we are borderline OCD or at least we like things to be neat and in in their place and we don't have messy homes.
I can assure you I do not fit this theory!
Me neither. The only data structure I've been able to adopt to organise my life is the good old stack (aka loads of big old piles of paper and knowing where stuff is in said stacks is based on how long ago I remember last working on that project). Anyone with OCD is likely to run screaming from any room I've worked in for even a moderate period of time.
Anyway as someone who absolutely loathes having to clean up much afterwards I've always taken the approach "maximise the mess on the target, minimise the mess everywhere else," with scenes, shoots and even when it came to the design of the gunge tank I built. Every litre of gunge that bounces off of your recipient's head and winds up coating the wall is not only a waste of money (you bought the gunge intending it to end up on your recipient, not coating the wall) but also going to be a waste of time when you have to clean that off later.
Planning ahead and practiced technique can go a long way to minimising the amount of cleaning up you need to do. When it came to shoots specifically we would lay the normal blue tarpaulin on the floor as a redundant measure in case everything else failed. On top of the tarp we would cover it with newspaper (typically two sheets of newspaper pages) that we could accumulate before a shoot by grabbing a copy of both the Metro and Evening Standard (both freesheets) each day for a week before the shoot). Then on top of that we'd have a paddling pool.
By controlling the flow rate of substances poured from buckets, minimising the distance between where we were pouring from and where it would land on the recipient (whilst keeping the pouring point out of frame of the camera) and opting for shoving pies in the face rather than tossing them we could keep 98% of the mess within the paddling pool. Additional benefits of paddling pool being you could either roll around in the mess after a shoot and/or it was easier to scoop the mess back into a bucket either for keeping as a mucky bucket for a later shoot that day or to be poured down the bog/dunny/loo.
Resetting between shoots would take 2 people roughly 5 minutes. All that needed to be done would be scoop most of the mess out of paddling pool into buckets (either to keep for future shoot or dispose of), scoop up any bits of newspaper that mess splatted on or the model needed to walk on to get to the shower and chuck them directly into the bin sack, replace the scooped up newspaper with new sheets of newspaper. If necessary wipe down any chairs. Check storage on SD cards/power on batteries for each camera and if necessary replace.
End of day clean up took about 2 people roughly 30 minutes. This would include: scooping the mess out of the paddling pool from last shoot into buckets to dispose off. Scraping any major splatters off the backdrop. Once model has finished washing carrying the paddling pool and buckets into the bath/shower and rinse them out using the shower head. Dismantling the backdrop and shoving the backdrop sheet into the washing machine. Scooping up any messy bits of newspaper into the rubbish sack, clean bits of newspaper scooped up and stuffed into recycling. Wipe down any mess that got through to the tarpaulin (9 out of 10 times nothing got through and so this step was usually unnecessary) then fold up the tarpaulin for future use). Dismantle the lighting and camera rigs/tripods. Drying the paddling pool and buckets with a towel to be put away for future use. One bucket full of water to be kept to allow messy clothes to soak whilst backdrop is in washing machine.
Now that all sounds quite a lot but much of it is actually really quick to do, for instance: scraping major splatters off backdrop, scooping up messy bits of newspaper and chucking in rubbish sack, putting clean newspaper in recycling, wiping down tarpaulin and folding up tarpaulin are all jobs that take no more than 2 minutes each to do. Furthermore the likes of taking down backdrops, lighting and camera rigs are only necessary if filming a scene (and even then depending on what you are going for some or all of those may or may not be necessary). In that lot the most time consuming bit is the rinsing out and drying of the paddling pool and buckets. You could easily chuck the paddling pool out at the end but given it takes just about 10 minutes to rinse out the paddling pool it isn't a big sacrifice to prevent it clogging up the environment that and you save money not purchasing a new one each shoot/session. You can save some time with it though if you are happy for it to drip dry (could easily chuck it outside to dry in the summer if you've garden/balcony space) but because of the nature of our flat we had to towel it dry instantly to avoid damp smells.
Takes about 2 minutes to rinse a bucket and another minute to dry it though given the number of buckets we used in a day's shooting (4-6 shoots in a day) there was usually a lot of buckets to clean by the end. If you're going to work with models you should ensure you have all mess for all shoots prepared before they arrive even if you end up with like 30+ buckets everywhere as you don't want to be wasting time making new mess to shove in the buckets whilst on the clock. Sure you can do some things during snack/lunch breaks but you can't make 20 odd buckets of gunge in that time frame. If you're going to do anything for mess prep during a lunch break I'd recommend if you have a shoot involving potentially smelly foods save the shoot to the afternoon so that the foods can remain in their typically receptacles for the morning and then if you plan to put any in jugs or buckets you use the lunch break to break out the tin opener and start filling up buckets and/or jugs in preparation for the scene without having stunk the studio out for the entire day.
Anyway I blathered on too much and started veering off course slightly at the end there by going into mess prep for shoots rather than clean up but still someone may have found it more interesting/useful than "we had a lot of buckets to wash." Though by some strange quirk by the fact you can do back to back shooting I always considered clean up after a shoot to be less hassle than if you're doing a personal scene with someone as you're getting maybe 4-6 videos out of that one proper clean up versus 1 messy scene and 1 proper clean up.
For me the clean-up is greatly hastened by doing your mess in the bathroom. In my experience messes are easier to remove from bathroom tiles than a rug or other surface. Furthermore if you keep most of your mess to the bathtub you can easily wash it out and use the shower curtain to keep it contained.
As per the organization theory floated above by WildThang I can corroborate. I'm a perfectionist in my work but always loved the ability to go against it and mess me and my clothes up!
WildThang said: I'll bet a lot of us who enjoy this messy fetish are actually quite the opposite in real life; we are borderline OCD or at least we like things to be neat and in in their place and we don't have messy homes.
I can assure you I do not fit this theory!
Me neither. The only data structure I've been able to adopt to organise my life is the good old stack (aka loads of big old piles of paper and knowing where stuff is in said stacks is based on how long ago I remember last working on that project). Anyone with OCD is likely to run screaming from any room I've worked in for even a moderate period of time.
Anyway as someone who absolutely loathes having to clean up much afterwards I've always taken the approach "maximise the mess on the target, minimise the mess everywhere else," with scenes, shoots and even when it came to the design of the gunge tank I built. Every litre of gunge that bounces off of your recipient's head and winds up coating the wall is not only a waste of money (you bought the gunge intending it to end up on your recipient, not coating the wall) but also going to be a waste of time when you have to clean that off later.
Planning ahead and practiced technique can go a long way to minimising the amount of cleaning up you need to do. When it came to shoots specifically we would lay the normal blue tarpaulin on the floor as a redundant measure in case everything else failed. On top of the tarp we would cover it with newspaper (typically two sheets of newspaper pages) that we could accumulate before a shoot by grabbing a copy of both the Metro and Evening Standard (both freesheets) each day for a week before the shoot). Then on top of that we'd have a paddling pool.
By controlling the flow rate of substances poured from buckets, minimising the distance between where we were pouring from and where it would land on the recipient (whilst keeping the pouring point out of frame of the camera) and opting for shoving pies in the face rather than tossing them we could keep 98% of the mess within the paddling pool. Additional benefits of paddling pool being you could either roll around in the mess after a shoot and/or it was easier to scoop the mess back into a bucket either for keeping as a mucky bucket for a later shoot that day or to be poured down the bog/dunny/loo.
Resetting between shoots would take 2 people roughly 5 minutes. All that needed to be done would be scoop most of the mess out of paddling pool into buckets (either to keep for future shoot or dispose of), scoop up any bits of newspaper that mess splatted on or the model needed to walk on to get to the shower and chuck them directly into the bin sack, replace the scooped up newspaper with new sheets of newspaper. If necessary wipe down any chairs. Check storage on SD cards/power on batteries for each camera and if necessary replace.
End of day clean up took about 2 people roughly 30 minutes. This would include: scooping the mess out of the paddling pool from last shoot into buckets to dispose off. Scraping any major splatters off the backdrop. Once model has finished washing carrying the paddling pool and buckets into the bath/shower and rinse them out using the shower head. Dismantling the backdrop and shoving the backdrop sheet into the washing machine. Scooping up any messy bits of newspaper into the rubbish sack, clean bits of newspaper scooped up and stuffed into recycling. Wipe down any mess that got through to the tarpaulin (9 out of 10 times nothing got through and so this step was usually unnecessary) then fold up the tarpaulin for future use). Dismantle the lighting and camera rigs/tripods. Drying the paddling pool and buckets with a towel to be put away for future use. One bucket full of water to be kept to allow messy clothes to soak whilst backdrop is in washing machine.
Now that all sounds quite a lot but much of it is actually really quick to do, for instance: scraping major splatters off backdrop, scooping up messy bits of newspaper and chucking in rubbish sack, putting clean newspaper in recycling, wiping down tarpaulin and folding up tarpaulin are all jobs that take no more than 2 minutes each to do. Furthermore the likes of taking down backdrops, lighting and camera rigs are only necessary if filming a scene (and even then depending on what you are going for some or all of those may or may not be necessary). In that lot the most time consuming bit is the rinsing out and drying of the paddling pool and buckets. You could easily chuck the paddling pool out at the end but given it takes just about 10 minutes to rinse out the paddling pool it isn't a big sacrifice to prevent it clogging up the environment that and you save money not purchasing a new one each shoot/session. You can save some time with it though if you are happy for it to drip dry (could easily chuck it outside to dry in the summer if you've garden/balcony space) but because of the nature of our flat we had to towel it dry instantly to avoid damp smells.
Takes about 2 minutes to rinse a bucket and another minute to dry it though given the number of buckets we used in a day's shooting (4-6 shoots in a day) there was usually a lot of buckets to clean by the end. If you're going to work with models you should ensure you have all mess for all shoots prepared before they arrive even if you end up with like 30+ buckets everywhere as you don't want to be wasting time making new mess to shove in the buckets whilst on the clock. Sure you can do some things during snack/lunch breaks but you can't make 20 odd buckets of gunge in that time frame. If you're going to do anything for mess prep during a lunch break I'd recommend if you have a shoot involving potentially smelly foods save the shoot to the afternoon so that the foods can remain in their typically receptacles for the morning and then if you plan to put any in jugs or buckets you use the lunch break to break out the tin opener and start filling up buckets and/or jugs in preparation for the scene without having stunk the studio out for the entire day.
Anyway I blathered on too much and started veering off course slightly at the end there by going into mess prep for shoots rather than clean up but still someone may have found it more interesting/useful than "we had a lot of buckets to wash." Though by some strange quirk by the fact you can do back to back shooting I always considered clean up after a shoot to be less hassle than if you're doing a personal scene with someone as you're getting maybe 4-6 videos out of that one proper clean up versus 1 messy scene and 1 proper clean up.
Thanks for sharing. This will save me a lot of time. You are the best!
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Wamtastic said: Thanks for sharing. This will save me a lot of time. You are the best!
You're welcome, hope it will be of great use. I was definitely surprised by the amount of mess the likes of newspaper (should probably add that it helps to overlap the newspaper to prevent mess oozing out between gaps when scooping it up) is able to hold and prevent me from having to wipe up.
Have realised there were a couple of tips I forgot to add so I'll try add them as quickly as I can.
Pre-Washing: It's good to have a bucket of warm water ready on standby for the end of each scene being shot. Once the scene is over before the model goes from paddling pool to shower it can help limit the spread of mess if: the model takes as many of the messy clothing items off that they're willing to and temporarily dump it in one of the now empty buckets from the scene to prevent those clothing items dripping between pool and shower. Before stepping out of pool if they can rinse/shake their feet in the bucket of water then step onto (what will by the end of it be a rather mucky) towel to minimise sticky/wet footprints between pool and shower. Once they've finished their quick foot bath take the messy clothes from empty bucket and dump in the foot bath bucket for initial soak.
This bit applies only if your scene took place in a gunge tank (granted most people won't be in that position but still may benefit some) the tank can double temporarily as a shower for a quick rinse off. Put a bucket of warm water into the top and let the recipient rinse off the worst of the mess before proceeding to foot bath stage. I DO NOT recommend trying to slowly poor water over someone to rinse off without a gunge tank. The low viscosity of the water means even low flow rates dropped from a short height can still transfer a good deal of kinetic energy to the mess they're attempting to dislodge winding up with it splattering further. I've only twice wound up with mess splattering onto walls and both occasions water was largely to blame. First occasion was a shoot that alternated between pouring buckets of gunge and water over recipient. The gunge poured in a nice controlled manner whereas the water upon splashing onto the head propelled little drips of slime to hit the walls. Second one was a shoot involving some mud that wasn't mixed particularly well in one bucket. The water and the mud/soil had separated a little and when the water hit some of the mud/soil from the previous bucket it splattered it up the wall. As such the lower the viscosity of the liquid the harder it is to control its splattering and that unless you're in something like a gunge tank that will contain splattering on at least 3 sides you run a risky game of not having a jet of water propel some mess off your model onto a wall. Better off leaving that for the shower.
Finally I am now kicking myself a lot as I have since the last post realise I probably could have got away with cleaning up even less between some scenes we shot. There I am scooping up most of the mess out of the pool after each shoot whereas if I had left it in the pool and allowed the gunge, pies, mud and food from the previous shoots in the day to accumulate and by the end I'd have had essentially a paddling pool half full with what is essentially one of those Yukky Bucket mixes that I could have marketed as being the "Mess Pit" or "Cess Pit" of an entire day's messy shooting that someone is gonna be made to wallow in whilst someone else with a jug or bucket scoops mess up out of the pool to pour on them and Bobs your Uncle screw having to scoop mess out of the pool between each shoot AND you've got yourself an additional video using just mess recycled from the previous shoots
I hate cleaning, so the messier parts of my food fetish are a bit of a curse when I get the cravings to go all out.
I'm learning everything the hard way. I just started with a towel (singular) and everything on a smaller scale. Then there was some noodles that defied the towel and the floor and the trauma of getting the smashed remnant of those out of the seams in the floorboards is still burned in my mind. Still don't have thin, disposable plastic sheets, so thankfully there's no carpet. And I've got a tarp now, which is a godsend.
I have a pair of rubber shoes for cleaning the shower that I try to put near the tarp so I don't leave footprints all the way to the bathroom. They never got any use before, but they are getting a lot of use now. Doesn't stop goop from dripping off other places, but it's an improvement. The starch in the fake cum I made kept showing up in weird places long after I thought I'd gotten it all out. Maybe a footprint I missed will be found in an archeological dig 100 years from now.
Current order of cleanup is to open the window to air out any smell because I'm not allowed to make the house smell like a bbq joint, fermentation factory, or similar (not that I'm efficient at remembering to open the window) put any clothes/towels/sex toys in a bucket and take them to the shower with a big-ass colander to strain any solids like noodles, beans, etc if those were involved while I give them a wash. Clean the sex toy(s), then get the worst of the mess out of the clothes/towels and leave them to soak in the bucket overnight with some Dr. Bronner's. So far this has saved every outfit I've destroyed, but I also may not be destroying them enough.
Then after I'm clean, I go back to the tarp and scoop most solids into a bowl to make chucking them out easier, then fold it up and take it to the shower for a clean with hot water and a soapy sponge.
I leave the tarp in there to dry a little to go back to the living room and try to clean off any areas that didn't stay on the tarp, alcohol spray, warm soapy water if I really fucked up, and failing to bleach the walls if I really *really* fucked up. Then rearrange the furniture to their normal place. Record for this with a larger mess involving solids was 30 minutes, but that's not including the long post-session shower and subsequent lie-in before I bothered to clean it up. It also isn't taking into consideration that my partner who isn't remotely into food-play or anything messy walked in on the aftermath so there was some *cough* impetus to get it done and the promise of cake (to eat).
It's kind of exhausting, which is probably why I don't do this more. But the anticipation and thoughts of how certain foods will feel and taste, and then taking the time to set everything up never fails to excite me and make me forget everything that needs to be done after.
bogjumper said: Hi all, long time lurker and occasional poster here.
Just wondered if anyone else find the 'cleaning up' after a session (solo or with wife) a problem? I enjoy the mess, but I don't find the cleaning up much fun. I'm not talking "needing to repaint the room" kind of mess but even just showering off afterwards feels like a chore and sometimes negates the pleasure received from the recent mess? Again, we're talking things like chocolate syrup rather than glue, butter or something 'difficult' but sometimes it almost gets to the point where it puts me off starting because I know the hassle that's coming after we both have.
I know, make the clean-up part of the fun showering together and all that, but we only have a small shower and getting more than one in there at a time isn't terribly easy, especially as neither of us are very small ourselves.
I guess I should at least count myself lucky that my wife, although not really a huge fan, is happy to indulge my fetish from time to time, but still I can't help but wonder if I'm a bit odd - but then again, aren't we all?
I think the worst one is being left to clean up after a ceiling splattering WAM session that you've spent time and money on. Your play mate's in the shower and you're cold and tired with no WAM session to look forward to. Even worse if you're also post orgasm and yes it's just as bad for those of us who aren't OCD. We all feel your pain.
There's been plenty of great advice on the clean-up, I'd just add that in the shower a bath puff and a citrus scented shower gel work miracles on the filthiest of WAMers. Also cheap shower curtains are worth considering, the holes at the top make them easy to tie onto all kinds of things, they tend to stand up to a lot of punishment and they usually wash well.
In terms of WAM after care consider your physical and emotional wellbeing.
Physical wellbeing, are you too hot, too cold, is the feel of the mess becoming unappealing, does it stink, is anything beginning to sting? I used to have at least 2 flexi tubs of warm water with face clothes in them whenever I got messy with a friend. Unlike a bucket you can stand in a flexi tub and scrape the mess off, then use the dirtiest of the water tubs to have a first rinse and the cleanest to have a second. If it's cold fan heaters are a wonderful thing. If it's hot then tepid water feels wonderful. You need a safe comfortable place to sit and wait for the other person to finish in the shower. Make sure you have access to a kettle and drinks. Consider having a post WAM snack at hand.
Emotional wellbeing always have several things to look forward to with at least one of them being messy. This can be as simple as buying more mess than you use for the session so that you can do a small solo messy session later. If you know you're going to be left with the clean-up and second in the shower make sure you have it clear in your head why this will happen before the session and make sure your playmate realises they need to get a wriggle on. Having something to do such as listening to music while you're waiting can help.
For the OPs specific situation consider delaying orgasm until you're both clean. Try edging while she's cleaning up then ask her to talk dirty to you while you have sex.